The Untouchables: the elite squad of Prohibition agents who sought to take down Chicago crimelord Al Capone by any means necessary. They were known not only for their relentless raids against the mob's various speakeasies but also for their inability to be bribed, hence their well known moniker. This fearless resistance against such a powerful mob had given them legendary status in early 20th century history.
The Gestapo: Aldoph Hitler's military police force that enforced his rule throughout all of Germany. Because they were given authority without the need for judicial oversight, this force used its power to arrest nearly anybody they deemed suspicious or traitorous and would eventually be granted the authority to create and run their infamous concentration camps. It was because of this iron fisted power that they became the symbol of fear and oppression in all of Nazi Germany.
WHO...IS...DEADLIEST?!
The Untouchables
Era: 1929-1931
Place: Prohibition era Chicago
Short Range: Colt Detective Special
Considered to be the smallest .38 caliber revolver ever created, this snubnosed revolver was particularly favored by plainclothed officers who wished to be discreet while still capable of packing serious firepower. With 6 rounds of compact firepower, this was the sidearm that Eliot Ness and his commerades would've used when patrolling the streets, searching for information.
Mid Range: Thompson submachine gun
One of the most iconic guns of Prohibition era America the Tommygun was a vicious firearm for both the police and the mobsters of the time, capable of firing .45 cal slugs at a rate of 600 rpm. No doubt anyone at the business end of this gun would be turned to swiss cheese in a matter of seconds.
Long Range: M1903 Springfield rifle
Originally the standard rifle of the US military during WWI, the Springfield rifle found use after the war as long distance weapon for much of the police at the time, including the Chicago police department. This rifle had a minimum effective range of 500 yds, but was capable of going as far as 1000 yds in the hands of a skilled marksman.
Special Weapon: 1897 Winchester shotgun
The last word in police raids, this pump-action shotgun was both a powerful breeching tool and an intimidating weapon of massive destruction. Capable of firing 12 gauge rounds without a hitch, this is the shotgun that set the standard for all future shotguns ever made.
Tactics: Surprise raids
The Untouchables were able to pinpoint where illegal activity would occur thanks to an extensive wiretap system. From there, they would be able to swiftly and efficiently shut down any breweries and thus halt any illegal operations before the mobsters knew what hit them. They would've operated like any police raid would've at the time: surround the area and move in before the enemy has time to think.
X-Factor: Unwavering upholders of the law
At a time where Capone's men could buy off nearly anyone of authority to maintain the status quo, the Untouchables became legendary for their refusal to accept any kind of bribes whatsoever. The agents under Elliot Ness' eye were those that could never be corrupted by any temptations or threats by Chicago's seediest of underworlds, and that's saying something right there.
The Gestapo
Era: 1933-1945
Location: Nazi Germany
Short Range: Walther PPK.
A reliable and concealable weapon popular with both police and civilians, this pistol was perfect for whenever Gestapo officers had to collect intel in plain sight. With semi-auto firepower and a compatible silencer, the Walther PPK would've been a fearsome sidearm to anybody who saw it.
Mid Range: MP40.
Originally a military grade firearm given to paratroopers and platoon leaders, this full auto submachine gun saw use with the German police as well. This firearm has since become the German army's most popular weapon, despite it not being a standard issue infantry equipment. It housed 9mm rounds and could fire at a rate of 550 rpm, making it a powerful weapon to enforce the will of the Führer.
Long Range: Karabiner 98k rifle.
This was the standard infantry rifle of the German infantry during WWII, but it saw use amongst its military police. By itself the K98 could take out a target from 550 yds, but with a scope it was capable of reaching targets up to 875 yds away.
Special Weapon: SDK silenced rifle.
A rather unusual firearm with its relatively short barrel and scope attachment, the purpose of this small rifle would've been for secret assassinations if the need called for it. Based on the British De Lisle Commando carbine, this silenced rifle was compact enough for easy transport and concealment and its silenced barrel would ensure that nobody would see this bullet coming.
Tactics: Intimidation and suppression.
The Gestapo were given unlimited authority to uphold the regime by any means necessary, and they knew it. With such power nothing could stop the Gestapo from arresting anyone deemed traitorous or suspicious, regardless of whether they were innocent or guilty. Many of such prisoners would also "disappear" under their authority, thus confirming the notion that the Gestapo will do just about anything to keep the peace.
X-Factor: Loyalty to the Führer.
Say what you will about the Nazis, but one thing you cannot deny is their loyalty to the cause. This iron-willed loyalty to both Führer and nation set forth a one track mind that is willing to do just about anything for the sake of their leader. With such dedication to the regime the officers of the Gestapo would be capable of anything, no matter how atrocious or extreme it would be.
So who will it be? The elites of the US Bureau of Prohibition or Nazi Germany's secret police? And how would the story end?
Hey there, dancing guy referred me here and I'm pretty impressed with how this match is going so far. My initial edge goes to the Untouchables simply based on their experience against heavily armed gangsters, but I want to see how this ends. May I suggest that you include some videos to go with your weapons? Good luck, and also check out my own match of Sora vs. Toon Link.
ReplyDeleteHey man this is already looks like a superb battle, and rest assured that tommorow I will post a full comment after I finish my test!
ReplyDeleteHey, just found this! Looking forward to where you go from here.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to use it, I'm working on a grading scale for incorpirating firearms into a points system like I use - email me if you're interested.
alright my edges (based on my scant knowledge of modern weaponry)
ReplyDeleteShort Range: Semi Auto, greater clip size, and silencer give the Germans a clear edge here
Mid range: I really can't call this one, especially since the mp40 is one of my most favorite guns of all time and I would be biased if I gave it the edge.
Long Range: Springfeild, semi Auto and superior range
Special: All depends on the situation, if my target didn't know who I was or if I was coming, it would be the SDk. If he did and was clsoe, the shotgun. The scope of the SDK gives the Gestapo a small edge IMO
Tactics: Surprise Raids....Untouchables fought Intimidation and fear all the time, though I think they would find the Nazis more horrifying then the Mafioso.
Loyalty: Both of these groups of men will never compromise, and will never give up in their goal.
Winner: very close but I concur with Vercingetorix on the Untouchables. Their superiority in tactics and long range will carry them, though just barely.
Nice choice of warriors. I think the Untouchables are a bit better, as they had to operate in a corrupt city while the Gestapo had a doctor government backing them.
ReplyDeleteHey monopolyman, the Springfield is bolt-action just like the K98, and its design was also based on the latter so the two rifles are pretty much dead even. Tommygun I think has the edge thanks to the drum magazine and greater stopping power of the .45 round. Nazis have the edge with their silenced rifle, but other than that experience in my book is the only thing that sets these two apart.
ReplyDeleteHey man :D I just got over to here and I have to say that as a fan of the movie "The Untouchables" and a history fan, I'm looking forward to this baby ;) I'd say that this is a deadliest Warrior match made in heaven. Two groups of men, one who fights terror and one who spreads fear.
ReplyDeleteI'll say this, my innitial edge goes to the Gestapo. Those bastards were ruthless. Up to this point, taking down Capone has been practice for this match. But I'm sure of one thing . . . if the untouchables go down they'll give the Gestapo hell first.
I can't wait ;)
Ta
Master of the Boot