Now you've seen that battle, let's look at how I came to this conclusion. As mentioned before I am currently using the system that iHonk/Mike developed in order to determine the edges to each side. I'll be showing you the stats followed by a verbal explanation.
In this system, Firearms are rated on four categories: muzzle velocity, effective range, clip size/caliber, and rate of fire. The more frequently the weapon is likely used, the more weight it will have in the sim. In addition to that, four X factors will be tallied against each other as well to determine the outcome.
With that, here it goes:
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Monday, August 1, 2011
The Untouchables vs. The Gestapo: The Battle
Author's Note: For this battle and all other future battles, I'll be using iHonk/Mike's newest battle system in evaluating weapons. I shall explain this system and the edges later on, but for now this is what you came here for. Let the match begin!
Battle Start: The Untouchables vs The Gestapo
His name was Herschel Klemp, a faithful employee at the Grand Social Club located somewhere in downtown Chicago. Officially he was merely another manager at the high profile restaurant, but everybody knew him for his homemade beers and taste in schnapps. Through the gracious connections of the "made men" of the area, he found himself in a very comfortable position in the estabishment. Tonight he was manning the bar located behind the restaurant front, an area where only the most exclusive of patrons were allowed in. It truly looked to be a night of good company and healthy tips.
"Long time no see." a voice in a heavy German accent called out from the end of the bar. Herschel turned to see a man in a black coat, a newcomer to the club. Four other men in grey coats entered as well, and they appeared to have arrived on more professional terms.
A chill ran down the barkeep's spine, but as with the nature of the business he kept a calm face and a pleasant demeanor. "So, good sir. What Can I get you?"
The man in black smirked and shook his head, "Good sir? Is that how you greet an old colleague, Herr Schmit?"
Beads of sweat dripped from Hershel's brow, but he still maintained his calm facade. "Schmit? There must be a mistake, there's nobody by that name here." Out of the corner of Hershel's eye he could see the patrons of the bar averting their eyes, as if they knew something like this was going to happen.
"Really Herr Schmit," the man in black continued in full German, "You can stop the lies. Herschel Klemp, aka Officer Johann Schmit of the Fuhrer's Cabinet. It's so good to have finally found you." It was at that point the man produced a brass tag with an eagle and swastika emblazened on the front. On the back bore his name: Officer Heinrech Schwartz of the Geheime Staatspolizei. The men in grey approached the bar as patrons turned their attention away to the scene.
The bustling speakeasy was now cold and tense, a defining silence filling the room. Knowing that the jig was up Herschel switched to his native tongue, his voice firm and scathing, "I have nothing to say to any of you. Whatever secrets you think I have I can assure you I know nothing, so please leave me in peace."
"Forgive me, Herr Schmit", the man in black stated, "But we've come too far to return home emptyhanded. The fact is that you abandoned the Reich at our Fuhrer's time of need, and that's something we cannot overlook."
"He was going to commit genocide on our own people!" Schmit pleaded, "Can you not see that he could tear down everything the Fatherland stood for?"
Before the barkeep could blink the four men in grey had completely surrounded him. Two of them grabbed him by his arms as another walked over to a back wall draped with a large tapestry. Behind it was a door that lead to the liquor cellar of the club. "Our informant told us there would be a room where we could have a more...private discussion. I would hate to spoil this place for your guests." The leader of the Germans snapped his fingers as his men took Schmit down the stairs to begin their questioning.
---
Two cars pulled up to the Grand Social Club, collectively carrying five Prohibition agents. As the agents exited their vehicles, their leader Elliot Ness gathered them around the trunk of the cars, which were loaded with serious firepower.
"Are you sure about this Ness?" Agent Stone asked. "We haven't packed this much heat since busting the last place Capone was fronting."
"You heard the tap," Ness replied, "Five mysterious men taking Herschel down into the cellar? I don't like it. He must've done something serious to bring those Krauts in."
"How do you know it's not just another family trying to squeeze into Capone's turf?" Agent Wallace asked as he loaded his gun.
Eliot shook his head, "If they wanted to send a message to Capone they would've shot the place up, none of this cloak-and-dagger stuff."
"Shame. Would've been one less speakeasy to bust," Agent Malone quipped as he picked up a shotgun. "Shouldn't we wait for backup?"
"They're on their way," Eliot answered, "But by the time they get here those Krauts are gonna be long gone." He turned to his team as he cocked his shotgun, "Our job right now is to keep our mystery men here long enough until backup gets here. So let's get going boys." After all the agents properly armed themselves, they approached the entrance to the club and knocked on the door.
Battle Start: The Untouchables vs The Gestapo
His name was Herschel Klemp, a faithful employee at the Grand Social Club located somewhere in downtown Chicago. Officially he was merely another manager at the high profile restaurant, but everybody knew him for his homemade beers and taste in schnapps. Through the gracious connections of the "made men" of the area, he found himself in a very comfortable position in the estabishment. Tonight he was manning the bar located behind the restaurant front, an area where only the most exclusive of patrons were allowed in. It truly looked to be a night of good company and healthy tips.
"Long time no see." a voice in a heavy German accent called out from the end of the bar. Herschel turned to see a man in a black coat, a newcomer to the club. Four other men in grey coats entered as well, and they appeared to have arrived on more professional terms.
A chill ran down the barkeep's spine, but as with the nature of the business he kept a calm face and a pleasant demeanor. "So, good sir. What Can I get you?"
The man in black smirked and shook his head, "Good sir? Is that how you greet an old colleague, Herr Schmit?"
Beads of sweat dripped from Hershel's brow, but he still maintained his calm facade. "Schmit? There must be a mistake, there's nobody by that name here." Out of the corner of Hershel's eye he could see the patrons of the bar averting their eyes, as if they knew something like this was going to happen.
"Really Herr Schmit," the man in black continued in full German, "You can stop the lies. Herschel Klemp, aka Officer Johann Schmit of the Fuhrer's Cabinet. It's so good to have finally found you." It was at that point the man produced a brass tag with an eagle and swastika emblazened on the front. On the back bore his name: Officer Heinrech Schwartz of the Geheime Staatspolizei. The men in grey approached the bar as patrons turned their attention away to the scene.
The bustling speakeasy was now cold and tense, a defining silence filling the room. Knowing that the jig was up Herschel switched to his native tongue, his voice firm and scathing, "I have nothing to say to any of you. Whatever secrets you think I have I can assure you I know nothing, so please leave me in peace."
"Forgive me, Herr Schmit", the man in black stated, "But we've come too far to return home emptyhanded. The fact is that you abandoned the Reich at our Fuhrer's time of need, and that's something we cannot overlook."
"He was going to commit genocide on our own people!" Schmit pleaded, "Can you not see that he could tear down everything the Fatherland stood for?"
Before the barkeep could blink the four men in grey had completely surrounded him. Two of them grabbed him by his arms as another walked over to a back wall draped with a large tapestry. Behind it was a door that lead to the liquor cellar of the club. "Our informant told us there would be a room where we could have a more...private discussion. I would hate to spoil this place for your guests." The leader of the Germans snapped his fingers as his men took Schmit down the stairs to begin their questioning.
---
Two cars pulled up to the Grand Social Club, collectively carrying five Prohibition agents. As the agents exited their vehicles, their leader Elliot Ness gathered them around the trunk of the cars, which were loaded with serious firepower.
"Are you sure about this Ness?" Agent Stone asked. "We haven't packed this much heat since busting the last place Capone was fronting."
"You heard the tap," Ness replied, "Five mysterious men taking Herschel down into the cellar? I don't like it. He must've done something serious to bring those Krauts in."
"How do you know it's not just another family trying to squeeze into Capone's turf?" Agent Wallace asked as he loaded his gun.
Eliot shook his head, "If they wanted to send a message to Capone they would've shot the place up, none of this cloak-and-dagger stuff."
"Shame. Would've been one less speakeasy to bust," Agent Malone quipped as he picked up a shotgun. "Shouldn't we wait for backup?"
"They're on their way," Eliot answered, "But by the time they get here those Krauts are gonna be long gone." He turned to his team as he cocked his shotgun, "Our job right now is to keep our mystery men here long enough until backup gets here. So let's get going boys." After all the agents properly armed themselves, they approached the entrance to the club and knocked on the door.
Monday, July 11, 2011
The Untouchables vs. The Gestapo: Battle Stats
Well, now that formal introductions are out of the way, let's get started.
The Untouchables: the elite squad of Prohibition agents who sought to take down Chicago crimelord Al Capone by any means necessary. They were known not only for their relentless raids against the mob's various speakeasies but also for their inability to be bribed, hence their well known moniker. This fearless resistance against such a powerful mob had given them legendary status in early 20th century history.
The Gestapo: Aldoph Hitler's military police force that enforced his rule throughout all of Germany. Because they were given authority without the need for judicial oversight, this force used its power to arrest nearly anybody they deemed suspicious or traitorous and would eventually be granted the authority to create and run their infamous concentration camps. It was because of this iron fisted power that they became the symbol of fear and oppression in all of Nazi Germany.
The Untouchables
Era: 1929-1931
Place: Prohibition era Chicago
Short Range: Colt Detective Special
Considered to be the smallest .38 caliber revolver ever created, this snubnosed revolver was particularly favored by plainclothed officers who wished to be discreet while still capable of packing serious firepower. With 6 rounds of compact firepower, this was the sidearm that Eliot Ness and his commerades would've used when patrolling the streets, searching for information.
Mid Range: Thompson submachine gun
One of the most iconic guns of Prohibition era America the Tommygun was a vicious firearm for both the police and the mobsters of the time, capable of firing .45 cal slugs at a rate of 600 rpm. No doubt anyone at the business end of this gun would be turned to swiss cheese in a matter of seconds.
Long Range: M1903 Springfield rifle
Originally the standard rifle of the US military during WWI, the Springfield rifle found use after the war as long distance weapon for much of the police at the time, including the Chicago police department. This rifle had a minimum effective range of 500 yds, but was capable of going as far as 1000 yds in the hands of a skilled marksman.
Special Weapon: 1897 Winchester shotgun
The last word in police raids, this pump-action shotgun was both a powerful breeching tool and an intimidating weapon of massive destruction. Capable of firing 12 gauge rounds without a hitch, this is the shotgun that set the standard for all future shotguns ever made.
Tactics: Surprise raids
The Untouchables were able to pinpoint where illegal activity would occur thanks to an extensive wiretap system. From there, they would be able to swiftly and efficiently shut down any breweries and thus halt any illegal operations before the mobsters knew what hit them. They would've operated like any police raid would've at the time: surround the area and move in before the enemy has time to think.
X-Factor: Unwavering upholders of the law
At a time where Capone's men could buy off nearly anyone of authority to maintain the status quo, the Untouchables became legendary for their refusal to accept any kind of bribes whatsoever. The agents under Elliot Ness' eye were those that could never be corrupted by any temptations or threats by Chicago's seediest of underworlds, and that's saying something right there.
The Gestapo
Era: 1933-1945
Location: Nazi Germany
Short Range: Walther PPK.
A reliable and concealable weapon popular with both police and civilians, this pistol was perfect for whenever Gestapo officers had to collect intel in plain sight. With semi-auto firepower and a compatible silencer, the Walther PPK would've been a fearsome sidearm to anybody who saw it.
Mid Range: MP40.
Originally a military grade firearm given to paratroopers and platoon leaders, this full auto submachine gun saw use with the German police as well. This firearm has since become the German army's most popular weapon, despite it not being a standard issue infantry equipment. It housed 9mm rounds and could fire at a rate of 550 rpm, making it a powerful weapon to enforce the will of the Führer.
Long Range: Karabiner 98k rifle.
This was the standard infantry rifle of the German infantry during WWII, but it saw use amongst its military police. By itself the K98 could take out a target from 550 yds, but with a scope it was capable of reaching targets up to 875 yds away.
Special Weapon: SDK silenced rifle.
A rather unusual firearm with its relatively short barrel and scope attachment, the purpose of this small rifle would've been for secret assassinations if the need called for it. Based on the British De Lisle Commando carbine, this silenced rifle was compact enough for easy transport and concealment and its silenced barrel would ensure that nobody would see this bullet coming.
Tactics: Intimidation and suppression.
The Gestapo were given unlimited authority to uphold the regime by any means necessary, and they knew it. With such power nothing could stop the Gestapo from arresting anyone deemed traitorous or suspicious, regardless of whether they were innocent or guilty. Many of such prisoners would also "disappear" under their authority, thus confirming the notion that the Gestapo will do just about anything to keep the peace.
X-Factor: Loyalty to the Führer.
Say what you will about the Nazis, but one thing you cannot deny is their loyalty to the cause. This iron-willed loyalty to both Führer and nation set forth a one track mind that is willing to do just about anything for the sake of their leader. With such dedication to the regime the officers of the Gestapo would be capable of anything, no matter how atrocious or extreme it would be.
So who will it be? The elites of the US Bureau of Prohibition or Nazi Germany's secret police? And how would the story end?
The Untouchables: the elite squad of Prohibition agents who sought to take down Chicago crimelord Al Capone by any means necessary. They were known not only for their relentless raids against the mob's various speakeasies but also for their inability to be bribed, hence their well known moniker. This fearless resistance against such a powerful mob had given them legendary status in early 20th century history.
The Gestapo: Aldoph Hitler's military police force that enforced his rule throughout all of Germany. Because they were given authority without the need for judicial oversight, this force used its power to arrest nearly anybody they deemed suspicious or traitorous and would eventually be granted the authority to create and run their infamous concentration camps. It was because of this iron fisted power that they became the symbol of fear and oppression in all of Nazi Germany.WHO...IS...DEADLIEST?!
Era: 1929-1931
Place: Prohibition era Chicago
Short Range: Colt Detective Special Considered to be the smallest .38 caliber revolver ever created, this snubnosed revolver was particularly favored by plainclothed officers who wished to be discreet while still capable of packing serious firepower. With 6 rounds of compact firepower, this was the sidearm that Eliot Ness and his commerades would've used when patrolling the streets, searching for information.
One of the most iconic guns of Prohibition era America the Tommygun was a vicious firearm for both the police and the mobsters of the time, capable of firing .45 cal slugs at a rate of 600 rpm. No doubt anyone at the business end of this gun would be turned to swiss cheese in a matter of seconds.
Long Range: M1903 Springfield rifle
The last word in police raids, this pump-action shotgun was both a powerful breeching tool and an intimidating weapon of massive destruction. Capable of firing 12 gauge rounds without a hitch, this is the shotgun that set the standard for all future shotguns ever made.
Tactics: Surprise raids
The Untouchables were able to pinpoint where illegal activity would occur thanks to an extensive wiretap system. From there, they would be able to swiftly and efficiently shut down any breweries and thus halt any illegal operations before the mobsters knew what hit them. They would've operated like any police raid would've at the time: surround the area and move in before the enemy has time to think.
X-Factor: Unwavering upholders of the law
At a time where Capone's men could buy off nearly anyone of authority to maintain the status quo, the Untouchables became legendary for their refusal to accept any kind of bribes whatsoever. The agents under Elliot Ness' eye were those that could never be corrupted by any temptations or threats by Chicago's seediest of underworlds, and that's saying something right there.
Era: 1933-1945
Location: Nazi Germany
A reliable and concealable weapon popular with both police and civilians, this pistol was perfect for whenever Gestapo officers had to collect intel in plain sight. With semi-auto firepower and a compatible silencer, the Walther PPK would've been a fearsome sidearm to anybody who saw it.
Originally a military grade firearm given to paratroopers and platoon leaders, this full auto submachine gun saw use with the German police as well. This firearm has since become the German army's most popular weapon, despite it not being a standard issue infantry equipment. It housed 9mm rounds and could fire at a rate of 550 rpm, making it a powerful weapon to enforce the will of the Führer.
This was the standard infantry rifle of the German infantry during WWII, but it saw use amongst its military police. By itself the K98 could take out a target from 550 yds, but with a scope it was capable of reaching targets up to 875 yds away.
A rather unusual firearm with its relatively short barrel and scope attachment, the purpose of this small rifle would've been for secret assassinations if the need called for it. Based on the British De Lisle Commando carbine, this silenced rifle was compact enough for easy transport and concealment and its silenced barrel would ensure that nobody would see this bullet coming.
Tactics: Intimidation and suppression.
The Gestapo were given unlimited authority to uphold the regime by any means necessary, and they knew it. With such power nothing could stop the Gestapo from arresting anyone deemed traitorous or suspicious, regardless of whether they were innocent or guilty. Many of such prisoners would also "disappear" under their authority, thus confirming the notion that the Gestapo will do just about anything to keep the peace.
X-Factor: Loyalty to the Führer.
Say what you will about the Nazis, but one thing you cannot deny is their loyalty to the cause. This iron-willed loyalty to both Führer and nation set forth a one track mind that is willing to do just about anything for the sake of their leader. With such dedication to the regime the officers of the Gestapo would be capable of anything, no matter how atrocious or extreme it would be.
So who will it be? The elites of the US Bureau of Prohibition or Nazi Germany's secret police? And how would the story end?
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